Now you have the permits to store the batteries on your premises. What happens afterwards?
Peter Meißner: I think the really big challenge in battery recycling is - and this is also something that needs to be explained in a conversation like this today: We don't have just one type of battery. We have different cell types, different cathode materials, which means that this raw material is split into many, many sub-raw materials that also need to be treated differently. In other words, the big challenge is to adapt to this variety of possible battery types and cell chemistries. And that means it is a permanent learning process, and that is one of the biggest challenges for a network, to know at an early stage what battery technology is actually coming onto the market, where we then have to deal with disposal after three, five or seven years and there is simply a lot of information still missing. We actually have to work on this today with the batteries, with the dismantling of the batteries themselves.
What role does second use play in this context?
Peter Meißner: It is important to always consider second use as an option. This can probably already be done in the workshops or soon by the manufacturers of these batteries. Once a disposal process has been initiated, it is assumed that the batteries are generally intended for actual material recycling. But if the batteries are in order and the customers approve them, which is an important point, then we actually produce modules that are basically suitable for second use and these are then also supplied to the corresponding manufacturers of storage systems from secund use modules.
Keyword: circular economy. What needs to change so that you can master battery recycling even better?
Peter Meißner: The battery passport, which has now been established in the EU and contains the key battery data, has been launched. However, this does not guarantee that this data will be available for every battery that we have to dispose of somewhere. So we will have to think about how this data can be made available digitally. That is one thing. The second is that every battery manufacturer has to register in the EAR as a battery distributor. From our point of view, this could be used further and more data about the battery itself could also be stored there, for example: what cell chemistry is it, how is the cell constructed overall, how is the battery constructed, i.e. important information for later recycling. We still lack the information here, especially when there are manufacturers from America or China. This information does not reach the market as quickly as that from European manufacturers.
Are there any manufacturers who are already supplying data in the sense of design for recycling?
Peter Meißner: Well, from my experience of almost 30 years in waste management in almost all waste streams and products, I would say that is always a noble wish. But first of all, the focus is on the product properties and, with this in mind, the products are certainly built in such a way that they optimally meet the requirements. Recycling actually plays a subordinate role - and we don't think that's a good thing. The recycling industry has also always managed to meet the challenges that arise. You have to say that too. That's what we're here for. So in this respect, no, I don't think that this aspect is being looked at so much today; instead, the focus is on technical development scenarios. Cell-to-pack is something like that, or completely bonded battery modules that can no longer be separated for material recycling. We have a lot of experience in this area, and we can see that. But I don't have any hope that this will change in the direction of better dismantlability, so to speak. I think we have to adapt to this.
Comparable to the cell phone, where you used to be able to simply replace the battery - that's no longer really possible today.
Peter Meißner: Yes, we hope so, of course, and we can see that batteries now have a longer shelf life than we originally thought. Three or four years ago, we were talking about five, six or seven years. Today, we assume that a vehicle battery can certainly last ten years. This means that the life cycle is getting longer. And that's a good thing. Yes, there may also be a second use option for some, but the decisive factor is that we can recycle the raw materials with relatively little effort - and that's what matters, because it usually involves personnel and technical equipment. And this ultimately determines whether the recycling is successful. At the end of the day, it's a question of cost and that brings us to a crucial point, which I believe we can still control in the overall further development. We can see today with vehicles that over 80 percent of vehicles that are deregistered in Germany are not dismantled and recycled in Germany, but are sent abroad for raw material extraction or rebuilding, and batteries are of course also suitable for this route. We have to make sure that we don't run into a similar development, where we want to recycle raw materials here, but the batteries end up being used in other countries, and that's not an easy question to answer. Is that good or bad? It can certainly be seen as sustainable if used products are reused in other regions, provided they are properly recycled there. And as long as this is not the case, we should not simply hand over risky products such as batteries to foreign markets, but recycle them here in our country or in the EU.